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Post by batjaxsun on May 2, 2016 23:21:35 GMT -8
I think so. Two of my favorite family coasters that are actually pretty fun adult coasters are Coast Rider and Sierra Sidewinder at Knott's Berry Farm. Neither was that expensive and either kind would make fine additions to Silverwood.
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Post by Comeagain on May 3, 2016 0:23:29 GMT -8
I think the park absolutely needs family attractions. A coaster is good but really anything.
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Post by batjaxsun on May 3, 2016 14:42:03 GMT -8
I think the park absolutely needs family attractions. A coaster is good but really anything. Coasters, even new ones, are usually the cheapest family attractions a park can install running around $5 million. Some dark rides are relatively cheap too. Triotech's Wonder Mountain Guardian at Canada's Wonderland and Voyage to the Iron Reef at Knott's cost Cedar Fair around $10 million each where as a Sally Corp dark ride can cost anywhere between $1 million to $10 million.
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Post by wolfblood on May 4, 2016 13:48:13 GMT -8
Triotech's Wonder Mountain Guardian at Canada's Wonderland and Voyage to the Iron Reef at Knott's cost Cedar Fair around $10 million each where as a Sally Corp dark ride can cost anywhere between $1 million to $10 million. Sally Corp rides can be more expensive then that, I know the recent Justice League darkrides they've been building for Six Flags have been around $12-16 million. Though it is worth getting the more expensive rides from Sally considering their bigger/more elaborate rides like Labyrinth of the Minotaur and Challenge of Tutankhamon are top notch. An' in the case with Triotech, their darkrides look cheap too.
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Post by luminousaphid on May 7, 2016 0:20:12 GMT -8
As long as it's something better than the nearest real dark ride to me, "Challenge of Mondor" at Enchanted Forest in Oregon- I haven't been there but judging by the videos it "leaves something to be desired"... I'm trying to be nice because this park seems like a family's personal project, but that ride really looks terrible. So I am all for a dark ride, as long as they can put up the cash to make a good one that will last!
I think you could combine the family coaster and dark ride idea and make a family dark or part-dark coaster, something like Verbolten but obviously not that flashy. Otherwise a nice family coaster would be great. The question becomes where to put it. The pavilion area is really a walk out past everything, but there is that tempting grassy field by main street... but something terrain-based would be more cool, maybe over by the far turnarounds on Timber Terror & Tremors, plus the little lot north of Tremors with nothing in it- do they use that for Scarywood? That was where Caved In was right? I never really got my bearings during that craziness
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Post by batjaxsun on May 8, 2016 17:24:30 GMT -8
As long as it's something better than the nearest real dark ride to me, "Challenge of Mondor" at Enchanted Forest in Oregon- I haven't been there but judging by the videos it "leaves something to be desired"... I'm trying to be nice because this park seems like a family's personal project, but that ride really looks terrible. So I am all for a dark ride, as long as they can put up the cash to make a good one that will last! I think you could combine the family coaster and dark ride idea and make a family dark or part-dark coaster, something like Verbolten but obviously not that flashy. Otherwise a nice family coaster would be great. The question becomes where to put it. The pavilion area is really a walk out past everything, but there is that tempting grassy field by main street... but something terrain-based would be more cool, maybe over by the far turnarounds on Timber Terror & Tremors, plus the little lot north of Tremors with nothing in it- do they use that for Scarywood? That was where Caved In was right? I never really got my bearings during that craziness Mondor is made by ETF Ride Systems in The Netherlands and has built rides for three Disney parks.
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Post by Bud Parsley on Jun 1, 2016 21:19:03 GMT -8
I like Challenge of Mondor! It's a very heavily themed, fun, trackless, interactive dark ride that fits Enchanted Forest's European village themed area of the park perfectly!
Verbolten at Busch Gardens Williamsburg seems to be what you are describing. Heavily themed "family" coaster. It's thrilling, but not too over the top in terms of intensity. It's in my top 20 as the overall experience is unique, fun, and very repeatable.
I don't see Silverwood ever doing anything this elaborate, but it really does fit a niche that is often overlooked....a ride that nicely bridges the gap from kiddie to adult coaster.
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Post by wolfblood on Jun 2, 2016 19:14:51 GMT -8
I certainly agree that Silverwood could use a "big" family coaster, since when you look at the current line up you have Tiny Toot and Krazy Koaster as the kiddie coasters, then the next ones are Timber Terror and Tremors. That's quite a jump in size and intensity, so a big family coaster that can bridge the gap between the kiddie and the woodies would be perfect. Especially since I've seen plenty of little kids find Tremors and even Timber Terror a bit too indimidating for them. Though on the topic of a big family coaster, another aspect must be taken into account, it's not just bridging the gap between size and intensity, but also it's height requirement. Many parks have fallen into quite the conundrum/pitfall when it comes to the height requirement of family coasters. Which leads to this... Verbolten at Busch Gardens Williamsburg seems to be what you are describing. Heavily themed "family" coaster. It's thrilling, but not too over the top in terms of intensity. It's in my top 20 as the overall experience is unique, fun, and very repeatable. I don't see Silverwood ever doing anything this elaborate, but it really does fit a niche that is often overlooked....a ride that nicely bridges the gap from kiddie to adult coaster. BGW's Verbolten can be considered a big family coaster, however it has a height requirement of 48" which is very UN-family friendly. It also doesn't help Verbolten replaced Big Bad Wolf which was the only family coaster in the park with a 42" requirement. So if a kid is growing up there, they gotta be 31" to ride the one kiddy coaster there, and then have to grow seventeen inches to reach 48" before they can ride any other coaster.* That can take a while, which is why family coasters with a 40-42" height requirement are a nice bridge between the kiddie coasters and the bigger ones. For me when it comes to big family coasters, the ideal height requirement is 40-42". It's short enough for most kids to transition to, and they don't have to wait as long to grow into coasters that are 48". If you go any higher then 42", you start dancing that line of weather that height is really justified, especially when you have coasters that are far bigger and intense (Such as Timber Terror or Tremors) which have a lower requirement. Don't be like other parks where their family coasters have the same HR as their thrill coasters. In my opinion, a good fit would be a indoor coaster, mine train or suspended family coaster from Vekoma. Any three of those can be a nice big family coaster, complete with a fitting height requirement to boot. * = Yes, BGW is getting the GCI InvadR which'll have a 44" requirement, but for me that's still a blunder since it's a small looking GCI, yet the much bigger George and the Dragon GCI in Efteling has a 42" requirement. They could've easily arranged this to have a 42" requirement and bridged the gap right then and there to have a nice family woodie, but with the way they've been advertising this it feels like they're hyping it up as a thrill coaster which is another blunder in itself.
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Post by Comeagain on Jun 2, 2016 21:01:03 GMT -8
Height requirements are a huge determining factor on what is a family attraction and what isn't. Thunder Canyon at 36" min/42" w/o adult is what I'd call near perfect for a family attraction. But, 42" for something like a coaster is (IMO) appropriate as well and wouldn't be cause for concern.
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Post by batjaxsun on Jun 5, 2016 17:28:15 GMT -8
Height requirements are a huge determining factor on what is a family attraction and what isn't. Thunder Canyon at 36" min/42" w/o adult is what I'd call near perfect for a family attraction. But, 42" for something like a coaster is (IMO) appropriate as well and wouldn't be cause for concern. 42"- 48" is a family coaster Under 42" requiring an adult is a junior coaster. Under 36" without an adult is a kiddie coaster
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